Tuesday, September 24, 2013

Liber Lexicum Dictata Novicius?



Remember this?
http://scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/oh-gods-what-have-i-done.html

And these?
http://scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/40k-squats.html
http://scottswargaming.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/old-school-40k-squats-pictorial.html

Well after Sundays game of 40K with No.1 Son, and relearning all the rules again, after about a year since the last game, but from my rulebook, which is from the rule incarnation one variant back from the current, my question is...

How much have the rules changed from the rules I got in the Black Reach set to the current rules?

Perhaps I am reaching out those friendly folk down at the KWC, or perhaps readers from BoLS?

Would any kind person care to fill me in on any rules changes I need to know about?... And at the end of the day, do I NEED to buy the new rules book?

As much as I'd like to play FoW or LOTR with my son, his interest is in 40K when it comes to rolling dice, so if I want game with him, and see him painting again, seems I have to commit to a certain amount of 40K time... ah well, ...I'll try and fit some terminators and marines in among everything else on the painting table! And give the guy pictured above some comrades...

Comments below greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Scott

25 comments:

  1. LOL! Love the camo on that Terminator - to think I'd not even recognize it just a couple of month's ago. It is an act of love for your son that you do this. Warm Regards, Dean

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  2. Couldn't tell you mate. I'd just go with what you've got for now.

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  3. I'm sorry to hear you are on that merry go round Scott. I'm afraid I haven't kept up on the rules changes.

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  4. Could always use In the Emperor's Name. Free rules based on the 40k universe and don't require a lot of minis.
    -J

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    1. Interesting, I'll check those out, thanks.

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  5. Scott,

    The 6th edition rules are quite different from the 5th edition. The current version includes things like new rules for removing casualties (now pulled from the closest part of the target unit). There are rules for flyers an shooting at them. There is a new snap fire mechanism for shooting on the move. Unit being assaulted are now allowed defensive fire and a bunch more.

    As for needing the new rules that depends on the goal of playing. If it is just for fun with your son then use the rules you have. If you play for either you or your son to play against others then you should upgrade.

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    1. Thanks for that Robert. So there do seem some definite changes that will affect gameplay...

      Obviously if we are playing between ourselves only, it wont really matter... but I am just thinking ahead... if my son seems keen on the game, and continues playing, and meets others playing the game, they'll most likely be playing the current rules, and I wouldnt want him penalised in this respect by not knowing the right rules... hmm, some hard thinking ahead...

      Robert - which do you think is the better rule set, 5th or 6th?... I ask, in light of Curts comment below...

      Thanks again Scott

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    2. Also, IF I were to invest in the new 6th Ed Rulebook... I presume the current Ork codex is compatible with it, and unlikely to need upgrading in the near future? (Son already has that)... I note there is a snazzy new marine codex, so presume this is certainly 'current'...

      I presume the Imperial Guard one doesn't include 'Squats' !?

      This was the thing with GW - the constant battle to keep up with the changes and buying new books all the time...

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    3. All the current codices are compatible with the new rules -- but you can rest assured that the most recent ones are more powerful than the older, and that the older will eventually be replaced with a new one.

      And no, no squats in the IG codex. Although you could use squat models if you have them as regular IG of course.

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    4. Thanks for your info Leif.

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    5. I think both versions are very good rules for what they do. I think that 6th edition is a little more complicated than 5th but this extra level of complexity doesn't make it better. I do prefer 5th edition but it is very close. The fact that I played way more 5th than I have of 6th is a factor.

      As has been mentioned all the codices are all still valid (except for those that have been superseded). IG and Orks have yet to be updated. The current Ork codex holds up rather well considering it's age. The same is true of IG. I got in several games of 6th with my Orks and they did well and I had fun.

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    1. Great thing this blogging community - friendly folks always willing to help :-)

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  7. Robert is right, there have been some significant changes to the rules for 6th edition (though they still suck IMO). Nonetheless, I agree with BaronVonJ in that 'In the Emperor's Name' is a nice alternative. We've also used 'Force on Force' (or 'Tomorrow's War') as a alternative to using the less-than-inspiring 40K rules.

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    1. Interesting thoughts and opinions there Curt, thanks for the suggestions.

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    2. I applaud your willingness to pursue this madness in order to spend quality time with your son - I doff my hat to you. I suspect he will want to play with the most current rules/codexes so he is up-to-date with any other friends he may want to play with. That, as you well know, is the rub: GW makes its bread and butter on keeping its customers on the rules/models mill. The squeeze never ends as the buggers practically live in your wallet. (This coming from a detoxed GW fanboy of loooong standing.)

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    3. Thanks again Curt, I know what you mean... I thought I had left GW behind as such, but you can't argue pricing and policies with a 10 year old who just see the game for the look of it.... and loves it! What is a parent to do!?

      I came across this (below) on facebook and it kinda sums things up - in that I need to give him the time he requires, (as they grow up so fast an are gone before you know it) and if that interaction is at the price of some 40K stuff, so be it ( I'll just need to do my best to source at competitive prices!)

      Enjoy:

      A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

      The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles roll
      ed into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

      The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full.. The students responded with a unanimous ‘yes.’

      The professor then produced two Beers from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed..

      ‘Now,’ said the professor as the laughter subsided, ‘I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things—-your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favourite passions—-and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car.. The sand is everything else—-the small stuff.

      ‘If you put the sand into the jar first,’ he continued, ‘there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life.

      If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.

      Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

      Spend time with your children. Spend time with your parents. Visit with grandparents. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and mow the lawn.

      Take care of the golf balls first—-the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand.

      One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the Beer represented. The professor smiled and said, ‘I’m glad you asked.’ The Beer just shows you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of Beers with a friend.

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    4. Yup, well said. Suck up the expense and enjoy your time with him. You can always sell the stuff later when he falls in love with historical wargaming. As in all things: It's only a matter of time. :)

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    5. Too true! I have bitten the bullet and ordered the 6th Ed rules...
      Cheers
      Scott

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  8. No help for the rules... sorry!
    Very good figure: the painting work and colours are awesome!
    I like it a lot!

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    1. Thanks, I am secretly looking forward to painting up the rest! Shhhhh, don't tell anyone! ;-)

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  9. I can't help you with the 40k rules I've got years ago. I can give you rules for epic if you're looking for huge 41st millennium battles.

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    1. Yeah I remember Epic - never owned it but had a couple of games with a mate, way back when... at the time I Dont think it appealed as much as 40k did... plus the minis were darn fiddly to paint...

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